Relevant to what? This permits me to throat the MAGnum barrel with a proper minimum diameter cylindrical throat that: Given a long minimum diameter throat, a MAGnum gives better accuracy with standard MAG ammo for those wanting to shoot .357 MAGnum and .38 Special loads while also being able to essentially duplicating .350 Legend factory loadings. Frankly the quality was sinking fast before Remington bought them out, but they went straight off the cliff when they fired all the Marlin workers and took their worn out tooling and put their own Remington workers (with no experience building lever guns) on them. Notify Me When Available. Here are the features to watch out for. All Rights Reserved. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:57 pm, Post Because many states have recently enacted hunting laws that allow for straight-case centerfire cartridges, in addition to the previous shotgun slugs only. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. Ive chosen to go with a strategy that includes both firearms that the SASS folks find fascinating and others that cause the antis to have bowel control problems you can cover a lot of bases for just a couple thousand dollars. . Henry offers their stunningly beautiful rifles, all American-made, for substantially less than a Marlin price tag. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. A friend has suggested my neophyte inquiry might find assistance here: C2N14 because life is not energetic enough. Proof-fired it and it stood up. With straight-walled cartridges, you dont need a dedicated space. About the only .357 or .38 spl ammo available now is the pricey 30-bucks-for-a-box-of-20 defensive loads. NEVER JAM BULLETS INTO THE RIFLINGS! Since its a range toy for me, its never been a big enough issue for me to bump it to the top of the to-do list. ", Go toMatch Grade Machine or call them at 435 628 0071. The 357 Maximum was invented to compete in that contest (most likely?). Hodgdon starting load for the 140 gr. Ill just be here waiting on .357 lever guns to be relevant. We show you how. The original factory loading was a relatively fragile 158-grain JHP similar to those Remington loaded in the .357 Magnum. Why Marlin didnt make a 336 in .357 I will never understand. 357 Remington Maximum Load Data NEF 357 Mag camo syn stocks with camo Nikon . Not going to get activated by accident, and potentially useful now and then. The .357 Rem. Sorry, there are no results in your area. The receiver was warped slightly outward, he pressed it back into line. 11 February 2004, 13:28 dgr416 Have as much ammo on hand as you can afford. Buy in stock Contender and Encore barrels for immediate shipment or have them custom build your barrel in 4-6 weeks! There was enough space there for a scabbard with a .30-30 in it. 357 Remington Maximum Additional Loads Below are the all of the bullet and load recipes followed by the groups shot at distance with our 21 357 Max 1:20 Encore barrel. I always attempt to stay in the mid range of the reload manual. twist: 1:18.75"; trim length: 1.285"; primer: Winchester SPM; bullet diam. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. The Henry Big Boy Steel in .357 is about $700. I bought a brandified new Ruger .357 revolver just as this lockdown crap started. Pistol caliber lever action rifles do make sense for benighted states, and are also still a lot of fun for the rest of us as well. Ruger 77-Series 77/357 Bolt-Action Rifle Models - Sturm, Ruger & Co. 8,125. .357 Remington Maximum | Handloader Magazine #17. Here is a link to an article that may answer some questions. I know both of these are on the cheap side but the fun my kids and I have when we bring this to the range is priceless. Perfect. I watched him shoot an elk at about 70 yards once behind the shoulder and one through and had complete penetration on both, elk went 20 yards. If you can't locate a H&R/NEF in 357 mag a very decent alternative is a Braztech/Rossi made scaled down clone. I cant go the range without people coming over to try it out. Loads for .357 Magnum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start. .357 Remington Max Ammunition For Sale - Hinterland Outfitters Cloudbuster Of course, I dont carry it on a single point like the muh AR crowd does. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames. NEVER see one at any reasonable price at any LGS. The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. Problem is, because of the pandemic, and an election year, like all the ammo, there isnt any to be had, in the Pacific Northwest anyway. Max chambering. We used Small Rifle primers for all load data, and they did fine with the propellants we tested. A couple of decades ago, I had a New England, top-break, single-shot rifle chambered in .357 maximum with naught but iron sights. Suppessor equiped lever guns with Subsonic plinker ammo are a hoot to shoot. The pre-lawyer Rossi 92s are nice guns. The winchester representative claimed 2300 fps with a 150gr bullet out of a 20 inch barrel. The furniture is high grade walnut, and the Deluxe Sporting model also features a 24-inch half octagon barrel and half rounded. Backorder OK. Slip Top 50 Smoke Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. The 8 grains of unique seem like fairly hot loads out of the rifle. 357 maximum rifle for sale on GunsAmerica. Buy a 357 maximum .357 Magnum Rifles That Make Great Brush Guns - Wide Open Spaces Pun intended. My lever lust may remain unquenched. Marlin gets it and offers a true carbine. Caveat Emptor. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" The Apostle Paul in Romans 1:22 . It can shoot 38 special 357 magnum and 357 maximum. Many people download it and get unburnt . Winchester Model 1873. 008-E503841 | MTM. For me, a Max levergun would only be desirable if it would cycle Mags and possibly Specials as well. If you didn't know much about this caliber before, hopefully this article has given you some insight into why it is such a great cartridge. 008-E503829 | MTM. 38 wad cutters and 357 mag, I have a 357 maximum but I dont reload can I buy a box. I take the time to dial in bores, do all throating separately forthe best co-axial alignment of the throat with the bore, and cut a few tenths of a thousandth tighter throat. From what I hear the Henry trigger is better though. And if even a Henry is a little rich for your blood, Rossi makes perfectly serviceable pistol-caliber levers that retail in the mid-$500s. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:54 pm, Post Once that word gets around, Henry and Brazilian made Rossi levers, and even Uberti and other Italian made Lever guns will gain more of the market share. Use only MAGNUM Rifle primers in .357 Maximum loads. And 9mm , 45 ACP, 40 S&W , 380 Auto and all the rest. Goes to show I learn something new every day. I think a lot of it is people who do not come from a hunting background and just want to look cool. That it would also make a good field cartridge for hunting small and medium game is obvious. Unfortunately it caught the Remlin disease and had to be sent to the ship for some warranty work. A T/C Contender G2 or Encore makes a lot more since. .357 Remington Maximum beats many of the traditional factory loaded "deer cartridges" such as .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington. . Its a nice round and rifle. can anyone suggest a competent gunsmith? It works out to about the same as a heavy loaded 38-55 in a Marlin 336. Dont believe me?? Wow, so many new posts on the 357 Mag rifles. [2] Shortly thereafter, Dan Wesson Firearms and Thompson/Center Arms introduced firearms in this cartridge. .44 mag would batter my hands a bit too much these days. In an effort to keep the playing field dead level for all competitors, they rigidly adhered to the no-modification standard. Yes, it was an easy one to fill the bill with. Last time I went hunting. For sale I have a Harrington & Richardson (H&R) model 158 rifle in .357 Maximum. The Casull is way shorter than the Max and ~the same OAL as the 360 DW. I specialize in Thompson Center barrels but also rechamber CVA, H&R, and the new Henry single shots in .357 Magnum to .357 Maximum, .350 Legend, and a number of other .35 caliber cartridges such as .35 Remington and .358/.356 Winchester. Seldom has any new gun/ new cartridge combination failed so quickly.Ruger's long-framed Blackhawk was first to market in two barrel lengths. of AA-1680 give top velocities and energies for shots upwards of 250 yards or more with 180 gr bullets from 24 barrels. 5 Best .357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifles [Guide] - Pew Pew Tactical Too bad Winchester lever guns arent still made in the USA. 1. Tho i reload all my center fire calibers. by Nath Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:30 pm, Post You can even shoot .38 Special for some of the easiest long gun plinking youll ever do. It appears to be a rimless 357 Maximum. im drawn to modern firearms for their dynamicism. its a different kind of shooting, fast followups, peppering paper or spinners, quick reloads. So it partly the pandemic, and partly the Presidential election, and then the riots in major cities across the USA. If I absolutely had to ditch all my guns and go with a single handgun + single rifle, this would be my choice. I don't think it is possible due to OAL differences. Max. Best place to find squirrels in in a deer stand with a 30-06. When Remington put the special round into production, it got a new (and prophetic) name: .357 Maximum. Carbine length Many would consider it a good deer cartridge, but when used in a handgun, it would be rather marginal for that purpose. The last time I was at the range with my marlin in 45-70 all eyes were on meeveryone else shooting the newest AR/AK and here comes this doofus with a lever action thumper. Ive shot the .30-30, and its fine, but man, Id love that thing in .357. (I bought a Glenfield 30A at a gunshow for $200 about 5 years ago. I still have a stash of Hornady 180 grain SSP's for it. Several years back I wanted a light weight all weather stainless steel single shot rifle chambered in 357 magnum, and the Rossi was the answer. The action and trigger needed work, so that cost another $125 from my local Gunsmith in Oregon. Not everything has to be tactically sound. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. That is fast. The .357 Maximum was initially chambered in the Ruger Blackhawk in 1983 and was for a time adopted by other handgun manufactures. I would also point out that IHMSA was a. Supply and demand. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.) This is well within the expansion range of the slightly larger XTP. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. Spoken like someone who doesnt live in a 2A benighted state or area. The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. Or, take advantage of facory .350 Legend ammo. Great guns..would love to have a Winchester big loop trapper in 357..but i wish the Winchester came with sling studs like the Marlin. Reloading The .357 Magnum - Reload Ammo The New Henry Big Boy X models are looking like may be the best value in a New Lever action rifle. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Just ask! But those new X models are very hard to get now. Its nice to check back in after so many years and see that my old photos and articles are still relevant. I wrote the original TTAG book on pistol-caliber levers back in the day, and Id like to add a few points to those made in this article. Or if you are willing to pay $1500-1,750 you get a Mikoru Japan made Winchester 92 Takedown rifle. It was an 1895 GBL. My Name. Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? Most of all it shoots the same ammo as a number of revolvers I have and reload for. Henry Big Boy All-Weather Rifle 10 RD 357 Magnum 38 Spl 10 . The LGS is cleaned out. Most of all it looks cool and reminds me of the good old days when guns were all made from steel and wood instead of plastic. 9mm brass-case FMJ is pushing .40 cents a round for the cheap stuff and I dont see the price dropping anytime soon. I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. With the added velocity and muzzle energy, along with the fact that JHP rounds are easily available from any gun store, whereas frangible or JHP rounds for an AR-pattern rifle are harder to source, it makes one of the best home defense long guns possible. Even my Walmart has 30-30 ammo now. by groschen1936 Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:29 pm, Post And as far as lever action rifles in pistol calibersthey have never been irrelevant over their 150 year history. I would accept the beating and get a .44 if I did. It fails to cause antis to have uncontrollable, explosive decompression of the space inside the colon? The most Fun guns I own. At that task, it has excelled for more than a century. All Types (1000+) I just read how lever actions were among the first guns carried on single point slings. Post With that said, should your fancy be tickled, here are five .357 Magnum lever action rifles to look for. Here are links for the articles Ive posted over the years; enjoy! Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! The AR-15s in .223 are just glorified rabbit guns in my opinion. Metallic silhouette shooters found it both accurate and very good at taking steel plates off a rail. 05-25-2020 . Given its performance for me in those cases it seems it would make an excellent powder for use in the 357 in rifles. I wonder how the rimless version of the .357 Maximumthe .350 Legendwill fare. 1 single-shot rifle in .357 Magnum, extra rifles without the CHP markings were offered through employee sales. 357 Magnum Rifle M.V. Thats relevance! You can shoot 357 Mags through it. The round barrel is just 17.4 inches, threaded for a suppressor and features a 1:16 rate of twist. 1. Modern black rifles offer options older firearms cant compete with. Most 350 Legend bullets have a higher sectional density which means more penetration than the .357 Magnum. Either will give hunting accuracy better than a big percentage of "varmint rifles! This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. Even if production revolvers missed the test barrel velocities by 200 fps, they produced enough muzzle velocity to achieve good terminal performance from softpoints giving better penetration. . Expect this one to make a comeback, like the 10mm. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. I think it helps ballistic uniformity in this long, skinny case and slow propellants. 38 Special ammo is cheap and easy to reload for plinking and target practice. 1830 fps 100 yds 1427 fps 200 yds 1138 fps 158 gr. The .357 sounds like just the ticket for deer hunting in heavy brush where 70-80 yard shots are about the max you will find. Instead of repeating all the details, Ill just post the link below. Youll see how relevant lever guns are next time the bolsheviks are in the white house. by Griff Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:22 pm, Post Who knows what the future will bring and if the wife and I will one day move out of this state, but for now we have good jobs, good friends, a good church, no debt, and hope that the current angst against Newsom and the Left in general will bring about some degree of change in November. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Its the truth about guns, not cooking. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:33 pm, Post @ Ed Palumbo. Show Only Guns Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on July 21, 2015: I had the opportunity to fire a colleague's .357 Max "Contender" and he worked with my .41 Magnum. In 357 max 24" Douglas premium barrel 1in16 twist shoots 180 pointed flat point over 4227 with CCI 450 primer .7 inches at 100 don't have to worry about resale I'll keep this one. Then came panic buying of guns and ammo due to social unrest, and of course its a an election year. It was too intense and very finicky. With higher-performance loads, the .357 carbine almost delivers real rifle ballistics. .357 Maximum is a perfect starter gun for kids to learn and grow on. I am going to start reloading though as JHP rounds for these calibers are expensive and I am apprehensive about using the easily found round nose bullets on a tube magazine gun. It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. I had owned two previously and traded them off as they were great with jacketed bullets but not lead (microgroove). The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . Savage 24V Series D 357 Rem Max / 20GA - Other Rifles at GunBroker.com .357 Maximum - CHUCKHAWKS.COM Or the new Marlin Dark series for a little more money. Try some Blue Dot in your .357 Mag, chronograph it and see how you like it. This rifle will be used for S. Michigan Deer so I'm primarily looking for favorite powder and pet loads. $1,050.00 (Save up to 21%) Price $825.00 H012MAW Henry Arms Henry Mares Leg Lever Rifle 357 Magnum 38 Special 5 RD 12.9" $1,133.00 (Save up to 10%) Price $1024.00 H006MML Henry Arms Cimarron 1873 Short Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum $1,498.00 (Save up to 10%) Price $1355.00 CA271 Extremely accurate, small groupsit reminds me why I got into shooting in the first place. by bgmkithaca Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:18 pm, Post Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. The .357 Rem. Own Stock. No one currently makes guns chambered in the cartridge.Looking back on the whole incident is very interesting, and there is much to be learned. You can also put ketchup on a hot dog, but you shouldnt. Depending on how hot the load is. The rifle shot better after reaming that it did before. Both are top performers. The most common include: There are other firearms chambered in the maximum, but their availability is limited and prices can be high. I had just enough time to look at a Winchester 92 in .357(did not like the large loop lever) and an italian copy of the 73. gee how many of us have heard that, for 1,000 times? Night and day in service and I didnt have to wait over a month. There were two major complaints with the Max, both having to do with powder gas erosion. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Through the years, the company continued to expand and . I bought a new carrier and internal parts and fitted them to feed a loaded 357 Maximum. That all depends on the powder youre burning. Nosler, and Speer reloading manuals all recommend the use of rifle (rather than pistol) primers due to the high operating pressure of the .357 Maximum. The .357 Maximum was developed in the early 80's by Ruger and Remington Arms as a silhouette cartridge for the Blackhawk revolver. Lack of inventory isnt relevance in modern times. My current 357 carbine is a Marlin 94 from 1998. This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. Thus sighted, 125 grain +p 38 special is spot on out to about 50 yards, maybe furtherbut havent tried it. 35Rem Maximum Rifle Loads | Long Range Hunting Forum The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. Wear issues in revolvers appeared early. Zombie apocalypse? Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. 44 Mag is much more forgiving. The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. Well, things are tough all over I guess. You might find a few boxes at the Tulsa world gun show. 357 Maximum, 44 mag, and 45 colt. by stretch Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:47 pm, Post I would also point out that IHMSA was a handloader's sport. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. When the gun fired, it behaved like all revolvers in that the powder charge in those long chambers burned at a very high temperature.